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Sean Connery Modérateur Inscrit le: 06 Fév 2004 Messages: 982 Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Sam 02 Oct 2004, 12:57 Sujet du message: |
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en tout cas j'ai encore des doutes, j'ai pas le feeling à 100%, j'accorde quand même de la valeur aux techniques/e-books, je ne pourrais pas les effacer si on me le demandais.
pour moi, il y a un juste milieu: sans techniques, t'es un pur animal (sauf que le truc c'est qu'on vit en société), alors qu'avec trop de techniques on devient un robot(comme "Papa").
peut-être que l'expérience effacera mes a priori, peut-être pas... |
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Sean Connery Modérateur Inscrit le: 06 Fév 2004 Messages: 982 Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Dim 03 Oct 2004, 10:44 Sujet du message: |
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oui, j'ai l'impression que malgré tout, on en sort pas.
il faut surtout pratiquer et prendre de bonnes habitudes(masculines).
et bien après, pourquoi pas tester les techniques en détail pour voir celles qui nous conviennent naturellement et qui marchent.
on bosse pour devenir des naturals en fin de compte. on sera forcément tous différents.
ça me fait penser qu'il vaut mieux s'en tenir d'abord aux faits (les femmes adorent le sexe, un homme digne de ce nom sait se faire respecter...) plutôt que de jouer un rôle en imitant un modèle qui lui réussit bien dans un environnement donné et avec certaines filles.
ce qui marche bien pour les uns ne marche pas forcément pour les autres, en général c'est très spécifique.
mon expérience est la suivante:
en me forçant à me tenir droit, à bouger calmement, a imiter sean connery quoi, oui je projette une image qui me met en valeur, mais je perd toute spontanéité. alors oui je suis attirant, mais je passe mon temps à essayer d'ajuster mon ombre, plutôt que d'ajuster mon corps et mon soleil. je m'explique:
le soleil c'est l'énergie, notre testostérone, notre envie etc. à améliorer en faisant du sport (un peu risqué), de la muscu (sans excès non plus)...
le corps, c'est nos croyances internes, qu'il faut modifier. et agir en conséquence: imposer le respect, s'habiller en conséquence, et toutes les attitudes masculines.
l'ombre est le résultat, c'est la puissance du soleil qui frappe sur le corps, ainsi l'image est proche de la perfection. pour ceux qui n'ont rien compris, c'est une métaphore.
maintenant je sais aussi qu'être un afc c'est pas être soi-même, un afc est un putain de manipulateur.
en tout cas, une chose que j'oublie trop souvent:
ne comptez pas sur les femmes pour votre bonheur. ni sur personne d'autre d'ailleurs.
pensez plutôt à partager votre bonheur, plutôt que d'aller le cercher auprès de quelqu'un .
pour moi, c'est une des leçons les plus importantes, si ce n'est la plus importante. |
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Antoine Archange Inscrit le: 20 Fév 2004 Messages: 952 Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Dim 03 Oct 2004, 23:35 Sujet du message: |
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| Sean Connery a écrit: | | Ne comptez pas sur les femmes pour votre bonheur |
Droit dans le mile... |
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Sean Connery Modérateur Inscrit le: 06 Fév 2004 Messages: 982 Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Lun 04 Oct 2004, 16:58 Sujet du message: |
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| Citation: | Speed Seduction says, "You see a hot chick, don't think, go in immediately. Demonstrate personality, value. Make her feel good. After rapport, CLOSE."
I say, "You see a hot chick, you ask do YOU want her, go in if you do. Don't demonstrate YOUR personality, test for HERS. Test for HER value. Keep YOURSELF feeling good. CLOSE if you want." |
si il y a un choix à faire, il est plutôt difficile. Dyonysos ou Appolon.
| Citation: | | I'm not saying you must go LTR. Just keep your own ideals and dreams intact. And don't let the women suck up too much of your precious time. |
| Citation: | | "Do not let the Game become the aim of your life (for that would amount to a sad life!). Even with your free-time, have some other priorities." |
| Citation: | | Merely running after women will choke your life with a suffocating type of miserableness. Follow your passion throughout your life and you'll be infinitely happier than any other course. |
| Citation: | | "You guys are never going to get into a woman's head. Stop all this philosophy and psychology nonsense. Do not flirt with her or try to read her. Just go for the number and the date. THAT is how men show their interest. Women show theirs by flirting because they DON'T have the ease of asking guys out." |
| Citation: | | it's not about communicating your interest but INFLUENCING HERS. Your influence over a woman is the product of her attraction to you. Expressing your interest does nothing for you unless you demonstrate value to her. |
| Citation: | I'm not against seduction. Seduction is a good thing that can be misused. "In harming women?" No, in harming yourself. There is a point where it crosses a line, where you lose yourself.
You want to have sex with her already, but she needs yet to be raised to buying temperature.
That is exactly one of my chief probs with SS. They believe they are 'raising her temperatures' or 'pushing her buttons' or whatever. No, women are sexual by DEFAULT. If there weren't things like society and standards of reputation, women would be doing guys left and right.
Want proof of this? Tell any woman that you are going to work on your own life, ignore women to your better interests, and do the great noble things. You are going to write the great novel, or compose your symphonies, or do great art, or whatever, and you will have women fiercly protest, "You should go out and live life." Your object has to have them included or they become angry. |
| Citation: | Examine your conscious, good Trickynick. Look to this wild vanity that flows through your veins, that is making you talk LIKE this ALL the TIME. Consider that women may be the ones using YOU for their own pleasures and that you are being drained from it in ways you cannot possibly imagine. Consider that your pleasure in it is but a mirage (for it is womanly, it is women who obsess over the physical relaxements from their smelly candles to pillows to chocolate cakes...) Women putter near the ground but man was made to soar in transcendent arc.
But as for now, I grow weary of you. Our disagreement of Speed Seduction has nothing to do with Speed Seduction but everything to do on the devouring nature of Women.
What is woman? Is she a booty to be conquered or is she the conquerer? Are men the prize to be 'caught' as a 'great catch' or are they the hunters? How can women destroy and create at the same time? Why is it that men create revolutions (of technology, of politics, of history) but women only create anarchy? Why is it the more our thoughts go toward women they end up being reflected back that we end up thinking about MEN?
She is the enigma that holds all of us in her grasp at this website. |
| Citation: | Basically DJ = "Here I am if you don't like me then NEXT!"
Speed Seduction = "What do you want?", then magically become him in her eyes. |
| Citation: | t the focus is NOT on her. Only the conversation is focused on her.
Why do you focus the conversation on her? To weed her out. Remember, you are THE PRIZE TO BE WON. She talks about herself and you can gauge: "Is she my type? Should I go for her?" Notice that the focus is still on yourself.
If the conversation was focused on you, you would be seeing HER as the prize. You would end up trying to prove yourself WORTHY to HER!
You must go through many chicks to find a good one. Let them prove themselves to YOU, not the other way around.
One thing I've noticed is that I seem to be doing some of the things of Speed Seduction AUTOMATICALLY without ever doing Speed Seduction!
If she says she likes rock climbing, poetry, and exercise, I, having interest myself in rock climbing, can ask about that. I do it because I am thinking, "Hey, this chick does something that I enjoy doing." It is not, "I want to make this chick think that I enjoy what she does so her panties go down." There is no manipulation. If she has nothing that interests me, I send her on her way and get another chick.
Getting chicks to talk about themselves is great because they are auditioning themselves for you! You can weed them out. She will like this rather than have a guy 'prove' how great he is. She repulses from that. Why? Because we are MEANT to weed them out. |
| Citation: | But if you notice I never said I TRIED to be a mystery. I only mentioned that women saw me as a mystery, and so I described my actions to another poster who was curious.
When you see yourself as the prize, you are going to weed out chicks (rather than fit yourself to the chick). So you get them to talk of themself and so on to accurately gauge them (is she for you or not?).
Yet, surprisingly, women LIKE you weeding them out! They will say, "What a great listener you are!" Even if you weed her out after listening to her, she is more satisfied since you were acting like a man and weeding out chicks.
Women wants a guy who wants them because of something unique about them. They do not want some desperate loser or a guy who tells them what they want to hear.
In ages past, that was how it was. Men would try to find a chick suitable to them and go through the stack. Nowadays, many men do not do this so it is refreshing when a Man acts like he is supposed to. The focus is life not women. |
| Citation: | | This is something I believe is true. Whether you believe it or not is up to you. We all must find our own way. |
| Citation: | Don't take my words as laws. Much of what has been learned from this site has PREVENTED many disasters. I ultimately think you'll be happier striving than placing your talent to service your lust.
Live, laugh, love! Notice the order? |
| Citation: | I don't see a 'divide' between Apollo and Dionysian anymore. This is what happens when I use Nieztche!
Life to me is not a divide of work vs. play. It is all play now to me.
There's no greater joy than living your dreams. |
| Citation: | Powerego,
Do not concern yourself with Pook. "Pook" will not help you, nor will "Sosuave" or anyone else.
Concern yourself with "Powerego". What does he want? How is he to be happy?
This forum is a potpouri of ideas to that effect. Take what you need and be happy. |
| Citation: | I don't give any advice at all. Who am I to tell you how to live?
All I say is that YOU should define your life, not the woman, not your 'nice guy' expecations, and not anthony robbins.
My posts are directed AT ME, not at anyone else. Writing is a therapy for me. You guys are just overhearing me talk to myself. When something clears up confusion in my mind and life, I try to post it. Human nature is universal. My problems are often your problems and vice versa.
You know how Nice Guys when they see 'the light' often make the BEST posts? They have a sudden rush of clarity whose posts I still find interesting to read.
This is a message forum. We share ideas. Trying to turn people into 'leaders' (!) or something else is missing the point. |
| Citation: | | Workaholic? I always said to embrace your passion in life, to try to turn your hobby into your job. It can be difficult but very possible and makes all the difference in the world. This is much more exciting to me then being a corporate drone and costuming myself at nightly outings. ANYONE can do that but very very few can unite their dream and day. |
| Citation: | The Romanticization of the 'Game'
Players speak of game as Nice Guys do of 'love'. Just as Nice Guys believe love will deliver them all the things they desire, so too do players find the same with game.
Some people think I write long posts but it is nothing compared to the epics these guys write. I'm trying to tackle issues like manhood, masculinity, sexuality, etc. Their super long posts end up revolving around a simple lay.
It is one thing to pick up girls, it is another to inflate and intellectualize it to gigantic proportions. I want it all to be natural, where I don't have to read or write or anything of the sort.
When I was a kid, we used to have 'Donut Eating Contests' of who can eat the most donuts. A feeling of familiarity comes when I see guys compete of who can lay the most girls in a night or week or such. |
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They will improve their communication,voice,looks,body language, hability to structure complex ideas involving social dynamics,perseverance muscle, human subcommunication,group management with interesting conversations,self-image,balls,delivery, I could go on, everything they use FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES
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You ought to make a brochure with that.
I can do all the above and more by simply untying all the knots in my mind. Then, it becomes completely natural and I don't have to go to message boards.
Besides, I want to uplift my WHOLE life, not just a part. I don't want to, like a vampire at night, go out, costume myself, act in all the ways that have been instructed, for strangers who won't even care if I drop dead the next day!. I enjoy creating a storm on this Earth, all spiraling out transforming myself and my world to my dream. |
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I've done all the 'game' stuff. Years and years ago I did the PUA thing.
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My success with women isn't because I gained 'skills'. My success is due to that I have made myself more Human.
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I agree. Genuine humanity is where you want to aim. Most people have no idea what human really means. Juggler have an archive and method founded on this.(Which is the first thing I recommend to guys) |
| Citation: | Therefore, I am going to cut to the chase and tell you exactly why Juggler and mASF has it wrong.
I will quote Juggler:
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Everybody should be having great-sex. Even girls who you are not attracted to.
Our methods may seem underhanded to some. But I take a different slant. Sure I lie to girls. And I am not monogamous like they wish.
But it is like a magicain performing a show. We want to know how the tricks are done but once we find out, much of the enjoyment is gone.
Girls are our audience. We perform for their pleasure. We see into a woman's soul and try to fill her dreams.
We should never blame the audience for a bad performance. Or get upset because it is a tough crowd.
I see your point about girls being selfish. But I see it like the
audience which expects to be entertained. They want you to succeed but if you are doing badly they just want you to get off the stage and let the next act come on.
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This guy is the Anti-Pook. What I say is the exact opposite, that you should find out what YOU want in life and STOP living for the woman.
Let's look at this quote. First, I do not want to have sex with a girl I'm NOT attracted to. Anti-Pook (Juggler) does.
My focus is on MYSELF. Anti-Pook (Juggler) has his focus on the girl's dreams. I don't want to fulfill girls' dreams. I want to fulfill MY dreams. Thus, when I go for a girl, there are reasons why.
The Anti-Pook's love life is a circus act. He is the Magical Tampon that fits and molds to every girl's desires socially, physically, emotionally, and spiritually. This performance is the antithesis of Man.
"But Pook, this is only one quote. Surely you may be taking poor Juggler out of context."
Alright. Sosuave, bring up another quote!
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Every question or idea I bring up with a girl I prepare an answer for in advacne in case she turns the question around on me. You sound like you are looking to do this too.
If she turns around soemthing on you it is generally a good thing.
Here is why.
If you were to say something witty or insightful to a girl she will be impressed, but if you were to answer one of her questions in a witty or insightful way she will be doubly impressed - it has an unrehearsed quality about it.
This is something I have learned as a performer. So much of what takes place in a good show is "tricking" the audience into asking for something you have planned for in advance.Therefore they think it was their idea and you have created ar chance to hit one out of the ball park
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Again, the emphasis is on her being impressed. Perform. Perform. Perform. Do not be surprised when you look back to find your life a badly cast play.
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It is like being a hunter. You study the prey. You learn how the prey thinks. You try to anticipate the prey's moves. After awhile you can't help but somewhat admire, understand and care for the prey. Of course, when you see the prey you are still going to kill it but you have a kind of compasion in your heart.
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And this is the extolled practice that people will use their entire lives, for their families, for their businesses, for their children, and their community!???
Now look at this next Juggler quote. He is responding to a guy saying he had problems with this girl because she said she wanted to wait for marriage to have sex.
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I don't think she is trying to scam you. She may be afraid of sex. You may want to try attacking the problem through the back door. Tell her you have thought about things and that you can see alot of good in her ideas about waiting for marraige to have sex. Talk about the importance of self-respect and keeping boundries. Come off as believable, and maybe a little too much into these ideas. She may at this point try to back you off a little. From there try to transition into finding out what she would do with a husband on the wedding night. What will the passion be like when she finally has sex. She should get at least little horny talking about these things.
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Already, the question is not whether or not YOU want this girl. It is that the girl is there and you must go after her, either for 'practice' or such. This was why Juggler says in the first quote you must give great sex to girls you are not even attracted to (!).
This quote is the exact spirit that Speed Seduction always was. It is always focused onher. Make her think horny. Make her think this and that way. And once she THINKS this way, she will use you as a physical masturabory tool.
The real thrill of being a Don Juan is when you are WHO YOU ARE and the girls go gaga over you anyway. No performance. No act. It is you creating the life you've always wanted and women wanting to join you.
Seductionists are *asleep*. They will gobble up pseudo-science, pseudo-psychology, believe this is is all 'reality', then go out like a social butterfly to be used and discarded by one woman after another (but they will never realize this, because their pride is propped up with this romanticization of 'game').
The AFC means:
Average Frustrated Chump
The only difference between the seductionists and the AFCs is that seductionists are no longer 'frustrated'. But they are still average and they are still chumps. They are p$ssy-whipped and know it.
Seductionists place the woman as their focus just like the Nice Guy did. Although the only difference is the Seductionist tries to get her to think horny and all (whereas the nice guy bought her flowers, etc.).
The difference between the Nice Guy and the Seductionist is the difference between a small trout and a big trout. They are both [suckers. The Nice Guy, seeing his flowers and candies ending up in failure takes up mental games and 'control' of states, of both his and her, in a dismal performance.
Seductionists do not respond to this. They merely puff, "You do not understand." Oh, but I do understand and that is what's go you so worried. You're acting like a kid who is being told there is no Santa Clause.
The Nice Guy stubbornly refuses to see anything because he has 'romanticized' love. His acts of relationships and dating just further cement his ideas.
It is the same with the seductionist. They refuse to see anything because they have 'romanticized' game. His acts of sex and all just further cement his ideas.
If there is one thing women are sick of, it is BOYS, lacking a sense of self, who jump through hoops just to 'please' them in every and all ways. They yearn for real Men.
It was Galileo who said the focus that the worlds revolved around was the sun, not the Earth. In the same way, I am saying the focus is YOURSELF that your energies must revolve around, not the woman or women. |
| Citation: | I really feel sorry for you, PowerEgo. There is no jest in this. I really do.
You keep viewing the world in a Machieavellian way. Everyone is 'influencing' one another.
As for myself, I just type out what I think and try to be as clear as possible. Yet, instead of dealing with what I said, you just say that I keep trying to do some 'pace and lead' and that I'm trying to 'influence' people in some sort of way.
Now, let us assume that I am doing that.
Why would I do that to a forum I rarely post on?
Why would I do that to a forum I rarely visit?
What am I getting out of this? I'm certainly not getting paid for any of this!
This is why no one cares about what you say. You aren't making sense or bringing up a coherent argument.
You even condemned my fingers for writing my posts! Because to you fingers DO write posts, not the person behind the fingers.
My aim, as always, is to isolate the Trurths of Nature and illustrate them to all (as well as to myself). From what I gather, you do not believe there are any 'truths', that everything is a 'power struggle' of influence.
If this were true, these posts would be forgotten within a week.
I suppose by your world that Shakespeare endures not because of the truths of Human Nature found within the works, but because of insideious machiavellian language designed to influence our minds!
Things endure for a reason.
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'Seductionists' are skilled guys who have cleared his self-esteem issues, they contribute to other people.
Contribute to the world. They dont live just to themselves.Although they love themselves.
They dont live for recognition. Although it can fufill them
Their dream is not focus on them so the world can admire and revalidate his internal issues. Real seductionists are benevolent people.
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If this is true, why are you talking to me? Ha!
Do you want to continue to do the strawman fallacy or do you want to go to the heart of the matter?
You seem to think that I think people ought to live for recognition, to become workaholics, and so on. No. I am for every act of expanding the sphere of one's life. This includes and excludes women. You want women to enhance your life, not become it.
I believe people have far more potential in their lives then they ever dreamed possible. I believe life holds more joys and mysteries then most poeple imagine.
Now, you will say, "This is what Anti-Pook (Juggler) says." No it isn't.
I don't believe in self-esteem.
I LIKE being challenged by the world. Mediocrity in some womb of self-esteem is no happiness at all. It is the precise womb of hyper-reality I keep mentioning.
If you ask a journalist in training why they want to become a journalist, you will hear, "Because I want to change the world." But journalists do not change the world. They stand there and scribble down events they witness on paper and tell everyone else about it. This rot about words conquering people and all is poppycock.
We are not decieiving each other. Not even women are decieving you. No, you are decieving yourself well enough without any help from anyone else.
My favorite example is Shakespeare. Every conservative thinks Shakespeare was a conservative, every liberal thinks Shakespeare was a liberal. Every muscian thinks Shakespeare was am musician, every philosopher thinks Shakespeare was a philosopher, etc.
The point is we see what we want to see. This is the error that leads to a quasi-reality.
How do you keep free from this error? By achnoledging that there are powers over us, such as NATURE and TIME that we all are obedient to.
This is why I rail against Feminists and Intellectuals with their artificial designs on sexuality. This is why I rail against romanticizations of both the player and nice guy variety.
There is a reason why Seduction's food is psychology and pseudo-biology. It still is out of joint with Nature's decrees itself.
For example, anyone who understands sexuality will understand what is really going on in a Shakespearan play or work of poetry.
But today's products of modernity cannot grasp it. They have no reason why the works are loved and revered throughout the ages. This is why I quote literature and such in my posts because the truths still apply.
Now, I will admit that Speed Seduction got me from being a Nice Guy. But I could have gotten over being a Nice Guy in hundred other ways as well. The Speed Seduction 'tonic' doubles as a poison.
I noticed a pattern occuring on this forum recently especially around me. When I posted, even the most basic and simplest posts like "Habit is all", people would nitpick and find quarrel over a straw.
Icepick coined this action as 'Pook-Baiting'.
I am here to post, to share whatever ideas I might have on women and life. I am not here for 17 year olds to ejactulate their 'anti-authority' angst on. You will have to go to another forum for that.
If you want to meet me in the Arena of Ideas, fine. But if you keep doing what you have been doing in last few posts of not even responding to my ideas but claim I am writing in some machiavellian method, then I will not respond.
Why? Because there is nothing to respond to.
The bottom line comes to this:
If you are so happy, so satisfied, so overjoyed and filled to the brim of talent and wonder, then why come to another forum to reply to a post that is years old to a poster who never comes on?
For one saying that SS is heaven on earth itself, you do not seem too happy, Powerego.
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What I want to know is what is PowerEgo's big fuss about?
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| Citation: | The way I see it is that there are two primary types of Don Juans:
Type A: The talkative, charismatic, and all around a PUA that focuses on nabbing women.
Type B: The strong yet silent man who knows what he wants in life and has several priorities over women.
The way I see it is, you are Type B and he is Type A. Both types have yielded positive results. However when some people are completely set in one type, events like these occur where the person in that type cannot understand or expect success from the other type.
Most of the time I am Type B but there are some times where I am Type A. Usually if I'm doing really, really well in something I just recently did mediocre in (like lifting or a test I thought was hard yet I aced it), I'm Type A. When I'm in my usual routine, I'm more Type B. I fluctuate.
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Why not go out, live, and be happy? Why the rage?
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He is. He is enraged about your beliefs, about the Type B DJ.
SS is for those that just want to get some quick pu$$y which sometimes is what I feel I'm up for. SS essentially is outdated since most girls have already grown a defense for this. Neghits, C+F, and all this are barely effective up here at college because I see so many other chumps attempting this. I just let my personality be the factor of getting the ladies and its worked well. I have two girls right now that I'm seeing. Its pretty cool.
What I found is a mix of just being straightforward with her with a mixture of SS techniques is optimal.
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Your communication sometimes is confusing and strange. Some people like it. I have some trouble but I eventually get to the bottom line
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I like it but it often is confusing and strange just because of the way you type it is something nobody here has done. Pook often goes at posting threads in a different manner than most.
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I know from my experience that his beliefs are incorrect.
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SS, while not the best (in my opinion), is still leagues beyond the typical male "DJing" if you will:
- Have a friend introduce her to you
- Talk to her for weeks to see if she warms up to you or not
- Try to be the best buddy
- Go for the number
A lot of times the AFCs will still get dates. Not all girls turn down their friends.
- Show up to a date with a rose
- Eat a fancy dinner
- Have an interview/date
- Watch a movie
- Pray to the Lord above to see if you can get by with a kiss
Fast forward because most men think that they have to wait months before they think the time is right to get some.
This is extremely inferior. SS works a lot better as it helps cut through this ridiculous BS and beds her in 1-2 weeks' time if that, rather than standing around holding your c*ck for months piss-scared to make a move unless she makes the move first.
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If you ask me, it seems like a lot of people here just are not accepting of one another's beliefs. This is the part where we just say "F*ck it" and get some beers. |
mmmh, bièère 8 )_ |
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Il y un bon moment déjà un pote s'était tiré une bastos avec le fusil de son père devant l'internat des filles du bled où on était au bahut.
Il venait de se faire larguer par une fille qui ne se rendait pas compte du mal qu'elle pouvait faire en jouant (quand j'y repense c'est exactement ce qu'elle faisait) de sa beauté sur nous. Il avait 15 ans.
A bientôt dans une autre galaxie César et merci, c'est un bel héritage. |
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Dernière édition par Invité le Mar 11 Jan 2005, 22:51; édité 1 fois |
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Brown Grand Duc Inscrit le: 21 Oct 2004 Messages: 480 Localisation: Ile de France Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Mar 11 Jan 2005, 01:29 Sujet du message: |
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:bravo: |
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César Comte Inscrit le: 03 Fév 2004 Messages: 237 Sexe: Masculin |
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FusiOn Marquis Inscrit le: 02 Fév 2004 Messages: 314 Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Mar 25 Jan 2005, 18:03 Sujet du message: |
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:sifflote:
heu bon je sais pas si ce smile à qq chose a faire dans ce topic |
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Seekin'luv Palfrenier Inscrit le: 13 Fév 2005 Messages: 15 Localisation: Sud Sexe: Masculin |
Posté le: Lun 14 Fév 2005, 05:31 Sujet du message: |
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César un très grand Bravo, tu m'as ouvert les yeux !
Merci Sean pour tes quotes plus que serviables !!!! |
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